Let's Talk RESCALED

Normalisation as a Mirror: What Prisons Reveal About Society

β€’ RESCALED β€’ Season 1 β€’ Episode 3

πŸŽ™οΈ Welcome to Let's Talk RESCALED, the podcast where we dive deep into the heart of justice reform. Hosted by Noa Shoshan and brought to you by RESCALED, a European Movement dedicated to reshaping our approach to incarceration.

In our third episode, host Noa Shoshan engages in an insightful conversation with Helene de Vos, Executive Director of RESCALED and former prison researcher at the Leuven Institute of Criminology.

During this episode, we explore the principle of normalization in prison systems, comparing Norwegian and Belgian approaches to detention. Our guest shares valuable insights from her doctoral research on the normalization principle, detailing how smaller-scale facilities like Norway's Leira prison create environments and initiatives that better prepare individuals for life after release.

πŸ’‘ Discover how normalized detention settings impact both incarcerated individuals and staff, and learn about the challenges and opportunities in implementing these approaches across different cultural contexts. This conversation highlights how prison conditions reflect broader societal values and why system change requires looking both inside detention facilities and at the society that shapes them.

"When you bring in living conditions from outside, like customers coming to the garden center, you're not artificially normalizing these interactions, they are normal. These are real, normal situations which are really important in life after release." - Helene de Vos



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